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By: Andrew Weichel, ctvbc.ca
Date: Friday Dec. 23, 2011 12:56 PM PT
A B.C. atheist group says it welcomes a public menorah lighting in Kelowna, if only because it a balance to the city's annual nativity scene.
The Centre for Inquiry Okanagan drew controversy this week after a member was quoted in a local paper taking umbrage with Kelowna's decision to allow the Jewish symbol in a public park.
But Loren Price, who founded the Centre, insists his group does not officially oppose the menorah.
"We welcome it because it shows a bit of diversity as opposed to just having a nativity scene. [Including both is] more representative of a secular society," Price told ctvbc.ca.
"I think you either say no to everyone or you open it up to everyone," he said, adding that local atheists will likely apply to have a secular-humanist symbol erected in the park next year.
Atheist Guy King, who was interviewed by the newspaper, says he made it clear that he was not speaking as a representative of the Centre.
"I was just expressing a few personal reservations about how many religious displays we should be putting up, and whether we should be putting up any," King said.
"At least with the menorah they're paying for it, I'm sure, whereas the nativity scene the citizens of Kelowna pay for."
If the city chose not to allow any public religious symbols, churches and synagogues could easily host their displays on private property, King added.
Rabbi Shmuly Hecht, co-director of the Chabad-Lubavitch of the Okanagan, organized the menorah lighting and says he received a "beautiful letter" from local atheists apologizing for the hullabaloo.
"They said it was taken out of context," Hecht said.
Public menorah lightings are held in more than 75 countries, he added, and symbolize "the triumph of good over evil, light over darkness, peace and growing every day."
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Awesome, a story designed to make Atheists look like a bunch of Anti-Semites. How do you even excuse this as a news story? Now when Kelowna gets around to erecting a Festivus pole, that's something the public will want to hear about :oP |
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these fanatics are as bad as thier religious counterparts. Message to both sides: get a life and stop complaining about everyone else. |
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I disagree that a mennorah is "more representative of a secular society" than a nativity scene. They are both religious symbols and neither is secular. Neither belong in a public park no matter who pays for them. Religion should be a private and personal matter and its symbols left to places of worship and one's own home. Keep our parks secular and free from religion, it's not the place. |
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Totally agree with Will. How someone celebrates this season and their reason for doing so is no one elses business. Stop trying to delclare the holiday as having "only one true meaning" and get over the fact that regardless of your personal beliefs no one else is required to share them and all are entitled to their own special take on seasonal celebrations. Christmas, Hanukkah, Qwanza, Solstice, Saturnalia or nothing at all celebrate with peace and joy and a humble heart that thinks first of those in need. If you know love you always have something to celebrate. |
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It is rare indeed when Devils Advocate and I agree on anything. Savor the moment, and the season. |
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As an atheist AND a Jew (it's possible to be culturally Jewish and not religious in case anyone is confused by this), I'm pretty conflicted. On one hand I'm not down with organised religion but on the other, the menorah is a cultural item lit by many Jews who would not consider themselves religious. Of course, I don't think taxpayers should have to fund ANY religious displays, and the idea of a secular/humanist display makes me feel kind of weird. Really, do we need to get into this whole 'if you have one, we gotta have one' thing? Yes, I wish religion wasn't such a big deal in the world, but our own display? Let's rise above petty things like this. |
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I'm not religious at all, and I could care less what public displays they have out there. Yes, christmas is originally about the birth of jesus, but I don't believe in jesus and I still love christmas! To me, it's about spending time with my family and friends and enjoying the lights, music, decorations, and overall merriment that exists at this time of year. People who are religious can celebrate the religious aspect of it, I will celebrate my take on Christmas. To each his own. Stop worrying what other people are doing, and just enjoy the holidays however you choose! :) |
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@DalouThe point that it's more representative of a secular society wasn't pointed at the menorah itself, it was pointed at the fact that they are both being displayed instead of the government allowing one religion and not another.If a nativity scene is erected, but a menorah is not allowed, it can be seen as an implicit endorsement of one religion over another.If you're allowing other belief systems to be displayed that's much more in line with secular values than choosing one religion over another.I'm sure most of us may prefer to have no religious symbols on display, but since there has been a nativity scene for years, adding the menorah was the issue, not whether or not any symbols should be put up at all. We're already past that milestone with the nativity scene. |
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Actually NVancity, this story's entire purpose was to REVERSE a story that was designed to make Atheists look like a bunch of Anti-Semites.If you re-read things, you'll see that an article was posted which misquoted a Kelowna atheist and made it sound like the community disapproved, and that this article's purpose was to clarify that such is not the case. |
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@S - Christmas is actually not originally about the birth of Jesus, the symbols predate Christ and are rooted in European pagan celebrations. When the Christians couldn't stop them they co-opted them. Can't beat 'em, join 'em. @Dustin - Disagree. Secular by definition is free of religion, allowing any religious symbolism in the public space is the antithesis of secularism. Allowing a menorah and other religious symbols means the space is more balanced and representative but it is not secular. I agree the ship has already sailed for now, but that doesn't mean they can't chart a new course and remove ALL displays of faith in the future. |
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As an atheist, I believe in everyone's right to be open about their personal beliefs. If humanists decide they want a symbol in the park next holiday season, then power to them, they have as much right as anyone else, and to call it a pissing contest is letting your own point of view colour things a bit too much I think. To Tremendous especially:There is a difference between wanting something because someone else has it, and wanting something because they understand WHY other people have it, and desire their own for the same reasons. I don't want cake because other people have it, I want it because it is delicious. More to the point, I don't want a public affirmation of my beliefs because other people have it, I want it because I like feeling like my beliefs are socially acceptable enough to be put on display, and for other reasons too. It's actually absolutely frightening just how much a person can be hated for NOT believing in something like religion.Often, when discussing people's beliefs, a person of a different religion is spoken of more favorably than an atheist: "At least they believe in something, right?". That sort of thing hurts a guy like me. Pretending that I don't believe in anything when I just don't believe in religion is such a frustrating insult.Anyhow, I'm done. Maybe my opinion matters, maybe not. Nice to have the subject out there to discuss anyhow. Mission accomplished there. |
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Hey people CHRISTmas is a religious holiday! If you don't like that go somewhere else! Remember atheism pertains ONLY to the rejection of the existence of a deity. You could be an atheist and believe that we spontaneously combusted into gendered existence out of pixie-dust... but just add a God and you've got Genesis. |
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Religion is only for the mentally ill because there is no other reason a normal educated person would believe the absolute bs religion provides --- Religion stops the progress of humankind and is the biggest contributor to death of people on the planet --- There is nothing that comes even close to have killed more people in our history than religion --- Believe what you want in the privacy of your own home and keep religion out of public places and politics ! |
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Is this really news or is it just another attempt to convince everyone that religions in control. Who really gis a damn. |
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Just look down the list of stories here at the dad who personally circumcised his son in the name of religion and tell me again just how stable the "believers" are. --- Live life on the facts and have faith in yourself --- |
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